The Monkey’s Paw:
An Interview with A.Nonymous
July 3, 2003
by Elana Freeland
E: Tellme about the very first visitation experience you remember. How oldwere you?
C: Thefirst visitation experiences were not long after my father died. I wasprobablyclose to twelve. Not only had my father died and I suffered a completefamilybreakdown, but there was also -- that was when a lot of the reallyheavy sexualabuse in my family happened as well. Pretty traumatizing. I startedhavingthese experiences at night where I would be lying awake in my bed and Iwouldbe paralyzed, I couldn’t move but was completely aware. I couldn’t seethem atfirst, but I distinctly felt their presence. These creatures would justscanme, check me out, sometimes with instruments of light that would scanme fromhead to toe. Then it changed dramatically, and I could see them, thesetall,sort of slight silvery gray creatures.
E: Howmany were there?
C: Justthe two of them. One seemed to be assisting the other. They removed asectionfrom my cheek about an inch in diameter using these light implements tooperateon me. It was a completely bloodless, seamless operation. Then theyreplacedit, but what they replaced it with felt like my flesh and yet not, likeanimplant of some sort.
E: Werethey operating from the inside of your cheek or the outside?
C: Fromthe outside, but the hole went right through it.
E: Wereyou asleep when this happened? What state of consciousness were you in?
C: Iwas pretty terrified.
E: Youwere in bed.
C: Iwas in bed and it felt like I was awake and paralyzed -- that I wasbeing heldin some sort of stasis against my will. At that point, it was reallyunpleasant, so I tried to resist and move, and the minute that I didthat theyused another implement that sent this beam of light down on me and Iwas inagonizing pain. It was like someone had taken two huge spikes anddriven themdown into either hemisphere of my skull. I could do nothing but justlie therein agony. There are times in my life when that pain comes back and Ifeel likeit’s being used against me still.
E: Arethey certain times, when you’re thinking certain things?
C: Yes.It comes back when I’m trying to use paranormal skills.
E: Suchas?
C: Distantviewing, reading thoughts, trying to have an astral projection whileconscious-- things like that, things that I used to do pretty commonly.
E: Whenyou were a child?
C: WhenI was a kid, I used to do those things really easily.
E: CanI ask you something before you go on from there? Because sexual abuseis such atrauma and can open parts of us that previously were integrous, can Iask youabout the sexual abuse -- who and what kind of trauma was passed on toyou,just briefly.
C: Well,I was raped by a woman, if that’s what you’re asking.
E: Wereyou actually entered?
C: WasI penetrated?
E: Uh-huh.
C: No.
E: Butthings were done to you against your will?
C: Yes.
E: Often,trauma is connected to visitations and I don’t quite understand theconnection.
C: Well,I think that I have an understanding of that but it’s much later in thestory.-- So then I started having the experiences that are described prettyclearlyin Communion --
E: ByWhitley Strieber?
C: --yes, by Whitley Strieber, where there’s a ship outside and I can dothings. I’mvery alarmed and I get up out of my bed and the whole house is encasedin ablue pyramid of crystalline light. That was what Whitleydescribed andit really struck me because it was exactly the same thing that Iexperienced.That happened a couple of times -- well, more than a couple of times.Thesecond time creatures came into my room and sort of checked me over.The thirdtime -- there was always a sort of aggression and it got moreinvasiveeach and every time -- the third time the one thing that was realinterestingwas I would get up and look outside -- I had shutters on my windows andI’d seethis light coming through the shutters. I’d open them and would see thecrystalof blue light, the ship, and then instead of being alarmed and panickedI wouldgo back to bed. I was alarmed and panicked, yet I couldn’t do anythingabout itand was compelled to go back to bed.
E: Itwasn’t like you were being obedient to some sort of inner command?
C: Idon’t think so. It was meticulously willed, if it was.
E: Wereyou still twelve then?
C: Ohyeah, all this stuff happened in pretty rapid succession. There was onepointwhen they put me on a litter and examined me more in my room. The nexttime,they put me on the litter and started to take me out of the house, thenforsome reason changed their minds. Finally, there was a time when theyput me onthe litter -- I remember distinctly it was very strange because it wastheright size for me. It was a raised litter that had this shelf runningaroundthe bottom of it and they stood on the shelf so they always leanedslightly.The shelf or litter was just high enough so that when they stood on theshelf Iwas surrounded by their faces, they were all watching me -- I wassurrounded bythese heads. Then the thing floated down the hall, out the front door,andstarted to rise up to the ship.
Atthat point, I decided that I wasn’t going togo and I would rather die than go with them. Every time I had tried toresistanything that had been done before, I had always been shocked withpain; thistime I made the decision that I wasn’t going to give in to the pain.They wereintently applying a lot of pain, very agonizing, and I decided I didn’tcarehow much it hurt, I was going to will myself to die rather than go withthem.At that point, the whole scene completely dissolved and I woke up withthisagonizing pain in my forehead, lying on my back in bed. Then I felt asharp breakin the pain in my forehead like it peaked at a huge extreme. I saw aglowingtranslucent ball of light with faint rainbow colors right next to mybed, witha sort of arch of white light with rainbow colors attached to my headbeingdrawn back into the ball of light.
Icompletely confronted it and started having aconversation with it in my mind. It wasn’t a verbal conversation but weweredefinitely conversing. I said, “Who are you and what do you want?” Isensedhesitancy but not really duplicity on its part. It said, “Basically, Iwantyour pain.” I said, “Emotions are food for you?” and it’s clear thatthere wasa language or translation barrier so there was a lot of hesitancy onits partbut it said, “Yes.” And so I said, “Well, what about love?” and I triedtoreach into it -- I felt compassion for this being -- and at the leasthint oflove and contact, it fled the house, completely fled the house. Infact, I waschasing it down the hallway --
E: Physically?
C: Ohyeah, and I opened the front door -- the front door had been doublylatched,and as I recall, I think I had done that myself because I had such fearofthese things that were coming -- you know what I mean? I knew that itwascompletely irrational to doubly latch the door but I did it anyway. Sothelatches got in my way and I couldn’t get out in time to pursue it. Inmy rush,I slammed the front door open and my mother woke up and got upset andsaid,“What are you doing?” I told her about having these things in my roomand thatthey were hurting me, and she said, “Go to bed, you’re dreaming.” “No,”I said,“I wasn’t dreaming.”
E: Didyou feel that your mother didn’t really know anything about it?
C: No,she hadn’t a clue.-- And then they came back one more time.
E: Thebeings, or the ball of light?
C: Theball of light. This time it tried to re-create the abduction experienceand allthat stuff, and I woke up right away, sat up in bed and looked at itlike, “Iam so on to you.” I didn’t put it in those terms, but it was like, “Iknow whatyou’re about and you can’t come here, you can’t feed on me anymore, andneverbother me again. You have to go away.” And that was it. I never sawthem again.
Thething is, in my adult life I found out about other cultures talkingabout thesethings, like the Indonesians call them the layac --
E: The layac.
C: --or the ladac, and they’re often associated with a family thathas -- andthey’re considered evil spirits -- a family that has had trauma or lossor anill child, and the layac come when people die in their culture.There’sa real correlation there. These entities have social recognition.
E: Now,when you say the ladac, is it the ball of light or does thatmean thebeings?
C: Theball of light.
E: Whatis the relationship between those beings that were doing something toyou andthe ball of light?
C: Youknow, my understanding of that is that that was a tape that they wereplayingin my head that they have prepared and used for generations to tormenthumanswith the latest bogeyman available to them in current human socialconsciousness.
E: Sothe ship and the operation and the elongated grays or whatever --
C: Yeah,all that stuff is something to stimulate fear so they can juice peoplefor morefear.
E: Whatplane of reality do you think they live on?
C: Ithink that they are inorganic beings of this planet and that they livein theEarth technically on a different dimensional level, and that they havevisitedour society for millennia, whether as dragons, angels, UFOs and graysor devilsfrom hell -- that these creatures have redefined the tape to someextent, butit’s the same one over and over. The other thing was when I wascommunicatingwith it,I realized it didn’t have emotions and was completely neutralto me,that it was the lion and I was the zebra. It had no remorse or any kindofemotion.
E: Haveyou talked to other people who’ve had similar experiences?
C: No.
E: Iam wondering if it only strikes children? Children would seem the mostvulnerable and the most intense emotionally.
C: Ithink it grooms children and once it’s formed a relationship with aparticularchild, it will pursue that person throughout the rest of their life.But it hasto create that relationship with the child --
E: Afear relationship?
C: Yeah.It wouldn’t be as effective with an adult, there’s too much rationalmind withan adult.
E: Dothey tend to come at night as opposed to the day?
C: Yes.
E: Whydo you think that is?
C: Itthink human beings are more easy to prey on at night.
E: Morevulnerable in sleep?
C: Yes,more vulnerable in sleep.
E: Itpreys on fear, or is it negative emotions in general?
C: Whateverit is, it’s the rational element they want to stay away from.
E: Andthat’s how you defeated them, is through figuring it out?
C: Yes.
E: Sothat was the last encounter?
C: Yeah.
E: Hasanything else happened in adulthood? You’ve mentioned that sometimesyou getthe pain in your head if you try paranormal abilities.
C: Yes.
E: Arethere other ways that you’ve noticed an impact?
C: Ihave been visited by inorganic beings throughout my life since, butnever thatkind. It’s been different orders of beings.
E: Insleep?
C: Insleep and waking, but always at night.
E: Describesome of them.
C: Well,one of the ones that I’ve had the most frequent experiences with is aball oflight, like a bursting ball of lightning but much redder. It is alwaysassociated with prickling skin, like a heavy discharge of staticelectricity,and there is a crackling sound like a very intense fire. They never tryandcoerce but they’re very charming and seductive, they try to seduce.It’s not asif they actually have any emotional content, but they definitely have a“Comehither” ploy. And I’ve always been really staunch about, “No, I won’tgo withyou.”
E: Whatages?
C: Allthe way up until now.
E: Areyou asleep when it happens or semi-asleep?
C: Sometimes,it happens when I’m asleep but usually I wake up. There are times whenI havedreams and the dreams are very dynamic -- the feeling is still there ofhearingcrackling energy and feeling the static on my skin. I’ll wake up out ofthosedreams and that thing will be there at my bedside, not still as thewhite ballsof light but moving around, sweeping through me. And there’ll be timeswhenI’ll become lucid within the dream and be aware and the dream will washawayand it’ll be just me and the creature in the darkened space, and atthose timesI’ll physically force myself to awaken. I’ll be lucid so I’ll know if Iamactually awake by speaking, and if I can’t speak or move, then I knowthat I’mactually still asleep and I’ll have to control my body and force myselfto wakeup. Usually, at that point they’ll be there and they’ll retreat and goaway.
E: Soyou don’t feel jeopardized by them?
C: No.I always feel that -- well, I do feel jeopardized by the fact that Icould beseduced -- If I’m not like vigilance about not accepting their come on.
E: They’renot trying to be sexual?
C: No,it’s about the energy. They’re trying to lure me into their trap,whatever itmay be -- their realm or agreeing to go with them and be part of theiractivities in such a way that my energy is affected by them.
E: Andis the reason they come to you somehow because the experience beforeleft asignature on you and they know where you are?
C: Yes,I think that may have something to do with it. I think also theparanormalskills that I had as a child may be a special delicacy for theirappetites.
E: Canyou talk a little about those paranormal skills you had? Out-of-body, Iassume?
C: Alot of out-of-body starting very, very early -- some of my earliestmemoriesare actually out-of-body experiences. Being able to move almost at willas ayoung child and travel all over the world; one of the most importantwas beingable to fly, that was something I could do both asleep and inout-of-bodyexperiences. Having distant viewing was something I was also very, verygoodat. There was a point that -- later in my life when I was morecognizant ofthis world -- I did things like visited the White House during theReagan-Bushyears --
E: Atnight?
C: Iwould spend a lot of time in bed when I was supposed to be asleephavingexperiences, meditating. I levitated on three different occasions.Being ableto do things like that was pretty dramatic -- I don’t know if it wasnecessarily good for my ego but it really affected how I interacted. Iwas ableto read people’s thoughts on occasion.
E: Whenyou visited the White House, what did you see?
C: Ihad seen a broadcast from the Oval Office and had a picture of it, sohavingthat to fix on I used the image and projected myself there. Reagan andBushwere there, and Bush was coaching Reagan about what to say in regard tosomepublic speech It was arcane and not something that I understood. Therewasanother person there --
E: Didthey know you were there?
C: Atsome point, it seemed pretty clear that they were aware of my presence,and atthat point I can tell you what they said. They said, “Oh well, there’ssomeonehere watching us,” and then Bush, very excited, said, “Who is it, whois it?”and a third voice said, “A boy,” and Bush said, “Oh good, I like littleboys.”
E: Tellme about your father. Did you say once that he was involved with themilitary?
C: Ohyes, he was involved with the military.
E: Whichbranch?
C: Withthe Army.
E: Whatwas his role? Was he an officer?
C: Notthat I’m aware of.
E: Washe military intel? Did he go on long trips?
C: Yeah,he did do that. He left the service officially just before the KoreanWar.
E: Youwere born --
C: Iwas born in ‘66. People have told me that he was in the Army just as agrunt.
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C: Youknow, when I use them and direct them according to my will,according towhat I would choose with my rational mind -- there are times when Ifeel likethere’s someone sort of tuning in, like “Let’s see what we can pick upwiththis antenna.” But there are times when I talk about this, it does sortof openup that channel and the pain’s starts to come up. And the thing is,when I do ?my will, it hurts. There’s a pain in a specific location.
E: Beforethe experiences when you were twelve, do you remember in childhood anytimesyou were in hospital or clinics or dentists or places that were paidfor by themilitary that your dad worked for?
C: No.
E: Soyou weren’t a sickly child.
C: No,not at all.
E: Westill haven’t grappled with the military intelligence connections.There mustbe something going on there, or maybe not. Your dad happened to dothat, andthen you happened to have paranormal abilities, and then you happenedto havealien encounters. But I tend not to believe in coincidences.
C: Well,there are a lot of people who were in the military, but I think they’realwayslooking for people who have those skills.
E: Yourdad didn’t have those skills?
C: No,he was not of that bent whatsoever. That definitely comes from mymother’s sideof the family.
E: Thenwhat about the cheek thing? Was something implanted?
C: Youknow, for a long time I really did think there was. I remember forweeks afterthat experience feeling my cheek and trying to find a lump in it. Rightafter,there was a lump in it.
E: Butthe pain you feel in your head when you get close to that...
C: It’salways located in one hemisphere. It goes from the top of the head in astraight line pattern to the temple all the way back, then under thejaw -- allthe left side.
E: Thecube only came once.
C: Thecube only came once and that was in that dark space with just me. Itotallyknew that I was having another dream and these things entered fromstage left.I pushed myself to wake up, and there it was, standing right outside myhome,quivering. It was in some sense like dealing with a child with gooey,happyemanations; it wasn’t really like dealing with a totally rationalbeing, but itwas powerful, just limited in scope. I kind of waver because it really,reallyaffected me in that it was intimidating the way it just sort of marchedinto myreality and in and of itself crossed all kinds of boundaries --boundaries ofasleep and awake, boundaries of 3-dimensional reality. So I was kind ofawed byit, and that was its power of seduction: the ability to awe. I almostfell forthat one in a sense.
Therewas another experience of very tall,green-blue wavy forms, about 20 feet tall and eight to ten feet wide.Theydidn’t come alone like the other ones; they come in groups or pairs.They’vebeen around a dozen times.
E: Doesit seem connected to any part of yourself? Your stomach, abdomen,sexualorgans, larynx? I’m thinking of the chakras. Are these beings connectedtocertain energy sources in us that are particularly active?
C: Definitelywhen the crackling ball is around, I feel it in my abdomen. When thatdark boxwas there, I felt a crampiness in my right side down the torso. Whenthe wavyblue forms were there, I felt very nauseous.
E: Fromthe motion or just the presence?
C: Theirpresence was the motion.
E: Whatdid they want?
C: Idon’t know, but they were the ones that I had the greatest bodilyrevoltagainst.
E: Dotheir approaches have anything to do with the seasons or anythingyou’venoticed that is rhythmic in any way?
C: Notthat I know of.
E: Soall in all, how many kinds of beings have approached you sinceadulthood?
C: Dozens.
E: Soyou’re just used to it, you live with it.
C: Yeah,it’s not like a terrible thing. It really opens me up to the wonders oftheuniverse that more than meet the eye, and I appreciate that about theirrole.
E: Whenyou use the term ‘inorganics,’ are you thinking of Castaneda’sportrayal ofinorganics?
C: Yes.When I encountered Carlos Castaneda’s writings I ate it up because thefact ofthe matter was it was the only thing that I’d ever encountered in mylife thatdescribed the experiences I’d had since I was a kid. It gave me acontext,someone to relate to, like wow, I’m not alone, I’m not crazy. I use histerminology because it correlates so well with my experiences.
E: Andwhat of Castaneda’s idea of having power if you’re going to go intothat realm?I mean, you have no desire to command those inorganics the way Don Juanwastrying to get Carlos to do --
C: Right.
E: --but what I’m hearing you say is that if you can consciously recognizethem, notallow the fear to catch hold of you, and not submit but actually movetowardcompassion, there’s no reason to fear these beings.
C: No,there isn’t really a reason to fear the beings, but what he wrote aboutissomething completely different. He talked about flirtations withdisaster in myeyes, which was to go into their realm and play their game and try togleanenergy from them. So basically you come down to their level. You teasethemwith the enticement of possible energy from you and meanwhile try towin energyfrom them.
E: Youdon’t recommend that at all.
C: No,I think it’s completely stupid.
E: Andhubristic.
C: Yeah.
E: Whatwould you recommend to people who are encountering these beings?
C: Tosay, “I won’t go with you.”
E: Itwas really haunting when you had the compassion for that one being andsuddenly whoom! it was gone.
C: Right.
E: I’mjust trying to imagine: are positive emotions repulsive to them?
C: Yes,and they don’t have any power that you don’t give them. That’s really,reallyclear. They need our volition. They cannot do anything without ourwillingness.So ultimately we have the power of choice. We have to choose. They’lldo theirutmost to cloud that issue and seduce us and to get us to betrayourselves, butthey need our volition.
E: Doyou think that many of the stories that are bandied about in UFOcircles andthe mind control circuit of encounters with aliens, grays, reptilians,etc.,are “screen memory” scenarios run by these inorganics as they attemptto get usto go with them and give them whatever they want?
C: Yes,I really do. I was so surprised by how Whitley Strieber’s book said,“Well,definitely you’re dealing with a real phenomenon because of theabsoluteconsistency of the stories of these people who have all of these wildlydivergent backgrounds all across the globe and yet basically describealmost theexact same story.” What struck me when I read that was, no, that’sabsolutely wrong.What that consistency describes is not a real phenomenon but a tapebeingplayed because with all of these different circumstances and differentbackgrounds and experiences, people would have different experiences,notexactly the same one! Since they’re all having exactly the same one,there’ssort of a conspiracy of consistency amongst them. When I readhis bookand said, “Wow, this is the exact same experience that I had,” and yetI hadsuch a different outcome, I realized that they create screen memories.I didn’tget taken away to “the ship” because of the one thing that I diddifferently.Now, there may be other people like me who have had a differentoutcome, but I haven’theard of them yet. However, all people have the potential tohave thatdifferent outcome: to break through the delusion that is beingperpetrated uponthem.
E: Thesebeings sound parasitic.
C: Yes,they’re very parasitic.
E: Andit sounds as though they can follow you throughout your life.
C: Yes.
E: Oneother hypothesis that floats around is of course military involvement.Often,people’s memories fix on military personnel, uniforms, operatingtables, deepunderground bases. Can these inorganics possibly see our culture wellenough todecide upon a certain tape to run that would work on a variety ofpeople as acover?
C: Yes.
E: Wouldany of our people in authority be in communication with these beingsand beinterested in them? Could there be something behind the rumor that someof thetechnology we now have is alien technology?
C: Well,that’s asking me to speculate on a lot. I’d really rather speak from myexperience than speculate. My experience of what our government iscapable ofand what they’re willing to keep secret and what they’re willing topursue inorder to obtain power, is beyond question. That they could make somesort ofassociations with other beings -- why not? It’s not at all outside therealm oftheir capabilities or doings, especially since it’s pretty well knownthat theyhave recruited a lot of people with paranormal abilities, and peoplewithparanormal abilities are going to be having contact with these kinds ofbeings.And so it would have come to their attention, yes, the fact that thesekinds ofcreatures are around, the fact that they are having a large enoughimpact onsociety to create a mass phenomenon -- the UFO industry and all that.Yes, itwould definitely have come to their attention. How they could form anassociation with them without willing accomplices who have considerableparanormal training, I don’t know. They would need those accomplices.Beyondthat, I can’t really say.
E: Becausethese beings seem very intelligent, lacking feeling, perhaps evenself-reflection, but intelligent in a cold sort of way --
C: Exactly.
E: --so they might have other things they know in a bartering situation withpower.I’m thinking of people who realize they exist and want something fromthem andso cut a deal to feed them certain people. Is that a possibility?
C: Whenyou’re in conversation with them, so to speak, it’s completelyelementary,without the finer, subtler concepts we describe with language. Thosenuances ofcommunication are not available to them. So their ability to impartinformationas far as discrete data that would be useful would be extremelyunlikely.
E: Whatis their intelligence, then?
C: Theirintelligence is the intelligence of the scheming and conniving predator.
E: Movingappetites.
C: Yes.That’s the one thing that’s pretty clear about them: their appetitesareenormous and everything that they do as far as charm and seduction isintendedto hide that appetite and keep it behind the veil. However,communication withthem is on the level of honesty. It’s very hard for them to beduplicitousbecause they have no choice, it’s the only way they can talk toyou.That’s why they prefer to interact through dreams andsemi-consciousness wherethey can really control the situation and feed you what they want youto seeand not what they don’t.
E: Inesoteric language, our lowest body is the physical body. It sounds like theirlowest body would be perhaps an etheric or astral body. They don’t haveaphysical body?
C: No.
E: Sotheir food is psychic, and the emotional field is certainly the easiesttograze from. However, they were drawn to a psychic child. Is thattypical? Arethey drawn to psychic people because there’s more to eat there?
C: Ithink they’re drawn to psychic people because the channel’s more openand thefood is more accessible. The portal is farther and wider open for themto jumpthrough.
E: Sowhen you saw a ball of light or cube or sheets of kelp, those werepictures youmade of what they looked like? Were those human perceptions, what we makethem look like because that’s the only way we can conceive of them?
C: Idon’t know what the difference would be. We make them look like whatthey dolook like to us. That’s how we perceive them.
E: Andyou saw four varieties.
C: Yes,four varieties. But there’s one I haven’t seen that really directlytried touse my fear, and that one was like the disembodiment of Dracula, what avampirewould feel like.
E: Inthe sleep-waking state?
C: Inthe sleep-waking state in that I had not fallen completely asleep andfullywoke up.
E: Doyou think that these beings can munch people so thoroughly that theybecomepart of them?
C: Oh,definitely.
E: Whichmeans that people’s humanity is curtailed by these beings?
C: Yes.
E: Soin other words there are people walking around who look human butprobably arenot that human anymore.
C: Yes,in that they’re acting on the motivations and intent of these appetites.
E: Wouldthese be powerful people?
C: Theycould be.
E: Predatorypeople, criminals?
C: Oh,yeah.
E: Docertain drugs give access to these beings?
C: Possibly,but I can’t really answer. You talk about Castaneda whose experiencesarereally associated with drugs, and I never had those experiences whileimbibingconsciousness-expanding drugs. Never.
E: Sowhen you’ve taken psychedelics, they did not intensify or heighten theconnection with these beings?
C: No.In fact, I took those substances with the intention of trying toimprove somekind of connection.
E: Interesting.Do you think the Castaneda books are legitimate?
C: Ithink they’re a mix of truth and fiction and it’s really hard todistinguishwhat’s what.
E: Anythingelse you want to say about your experiences?
C: Ijust remember as a child when I would experience my paranormalabilities, therewas a tremendous freedom associated with them. Since the experienceswhen I wastwelve, they’ve been associated with pain. That freedom is gone and hasneverreturned, especially the sense of liberation I experienced as a child.
E: That’ssad.
C: Yes,very sad. One of the other things that happens is when I am gettingclose tocertain experiences or abilities again, I sometimes experience thisreallyintense, high-pitched ringing in my ears that comes on like a pulse.
E: Isthere a relationship between the stomach and these beings? A lot ofpeople havestomach pains associated with alien encounters.
C: That’sfunny because I got ulcers as a child right around that time. For along time,I had a pretty severe gastrointestinal disorder. I quit using all drugsand ithealed.
E: Didyou ever experience a point of entry?
C: No.I always saw the being beside me, and the only contact was the time Iwasconnected by my forehead. But regarding people being inhabited by thesebeings,there is a very real extent to which they can be controlled by them.People canbe eaten out by these beings to the extent -- and this is somethingthat seemsvery real to me -- that they would be very easily controlled by others.Idistinctly see the possibility of those creatures eating your will.Where theytry to interact the most is right down here. [Gestures to solarplexus.]
E: Evenin our language, the area of the stomach and solar plexus has somethingto dowith the will: You have no guts. Whenever fear strikes, martialartsteaches that you should deepen your breathing and pull in energy twofingersbelow your navel to counteract it.
C: Tightenit up.
E: Ifscientists and people with psychic powers have discovered this, theycouldfeasibly use it to control others.
C: Youmean they might find ways to sic these creatures on you?
E: Yes.And through sex -- there are beings that can enter through illicit sex.Haveyou ever experienced that?
C: Somethingreally transformed in me when I was raped. It was a huge wound and atthatmoment I was in such a state of terror and anguish, I really thought Iwasbeing murdered. I was too young to understand what was going on and waswideopen. It was not long after being molested and raped that these otherexperiences started happening. Previous to that, all of my psychicexperienceshad been positive; after that, they were radically negative.
E: Theuse of fear, the increasing abuse of children... So George Bush said,“I likelittle boys.” What gave them their ability to be able to sense somebodyin theroom?
C: Ohno, I don’t think they sensed it. They had an adept in their pay orcontrol whowas monitoring the situation for them. The adept wasn’t evennecessarily eventhere. It was a report that was relayed to them as one of theirsecurityscreens. It wasn’t that someone in the room noticed; what they got wasasecurity alert.
E: Ican see how these beings might be used by so-called satanists who stillperformold rituals formulated to draw them and set up power relationships withthemfor the sake of establishing more power in this reality.
C: Whenyou talk about stuff like that, I always think of those things as themonkey’spaw magic. Do you know what I mean by that?
E: No.
C: Italways costs you more than you gain. That’s why it’s delusional andegoistic.Unless these things are of service to the greater good of humankind andspiritin general, then they will always cost more than is gained. That’s theessential mistake that egoistic hubris always leads to -- you know, the“Somehow, I will cheat that game, and I’ll be able to gain more than Igiveup.” It never works that way.
E: Doyou think these creatures are limited to this realm?
C: Thereare definitely beings I have encountered that are interplanetary andhavenothing to do with these childish games --
E: Thatthese little appetites running around are playing?
C: Yeah,I think that those entities are strictly terrestrial.
E: Sowhat were the others like?
C: Thosebeings were much more benevolent.
E: Didyou see them or feel them?
C: Both.There was one that looked like a rolling cloud of gold, with gold dustspiraling over and over itself. It had an intense presence of good andlight.
E: Thiswas when you were a child?
C: No,it was much later, when I was an adult. It was able to understand morenuancesof language and thought, and its reply to me about some of my questionswas, “Ihave no interest in those childhood games. I’m not here on that level.I’m justhere to let you know that this -- is powerful and available and is hereforgood.”
E: Whatother beings did you see that are beneficent?
C: Anotherone came in sort of a cloud of gold, but more of a silvery gold. A lotof timeswhen I’m looking at things like this, I’m looking at something in frontof meand also through a wall, so to speak. These beings are enormous,and are touching fellows of their own, a group all joinedtogether. Youcan’t actually witness one without seeing the others. Once, I wasactuallyphysically bearing witness to someone about these beings -- that theyactuallyexist, are really here and part of our lives affecting us for good --when thechannel opened up in me and it said, “Hello,” flooding me with joy.
E: Sodifferent from the appetites scavengering for people to munch.
C: Ijust look at it as the power of selection operating on the spirituallevel.It’s asking us to evolve by being conscious and present on those levelsaswell. The people who can’t pull it together to say no to these littleappetiteswill be consumed, whereas the ones who do pull it together will be ableto makeconnections with higher being. It’s about evolution; there’s no malicein theappetites whatsoever.
E: Becauseof the fear quotient around abductions and encounters, and given howthey aregenerally dealt with in a knee-jerk way as marginal “woo-woo”entertainment,reasonable discourse is lacking. Will knowing about it and treating itreasonably help people to realize yes, these invisible entities doexist and Imay encounter them, I may have encountered them, but I can take poweroverthem?
C: That’sright. Bringing things into the light and not just leaving them in theshadowsof knee-jerk religious moralizing will help. These are elemental forcesof theuniverse, of nature. I don’t see why their existence should beconsidered sounrealistic. Clearly, people who have a high level of understanding inphysicsknow that there is a huge realm of interdimensional reality all aroundus atall times. It’s all there. Now, why wouldn’t there be creatures thatactuallylive in those dimensions? That we don’t understand how they assembletheirbeing is similar to how we don’t really fully understand how weassemble ourown being here in this three-dimensional reality that we don’t evenfullyunderstand. It’s not really that great of a stretch of the imagination.Itmakes a lot of sense. Yes, having a dialogue, bringing more of thevast,wondrous, and mysterious universe into discussion -- great! There’s noharm inthat. And there’s nothing moral about it, either. There’s no moralizingthatthis is a sin or demonic in any sense.
Scan in portraitof Crowley’s LAMthat looks like a gray at
http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/lam-stat.htm
[Thiswill accompany LAM picture:]
[Ed.:Is it just coincidental that the symbol for theCult of LAM is the same as that of thefirst chakra -- an inverted triangle?]
From“A Statement of the Typhonian O.T.O.,”http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/lam-stat.htm:
Crowley'sportrait of Lam is a curious drawing which he included in his DeadSoulsexhibition held in Greenwich Village, New York, in 1919. In that sameyear itwas published as a frontispiece to Crowley's Commentary to Blavatsky's TheVoice of the Silence. That there is a connection between theportrait andthe Commentary, sub-titled Liber LXXI, may be inferred from theinscription accompanying the frontispiece, which was entitled TheWay:
LAM is the Tibetan word for Way or Path,and LAMA isHe who Goeth, the specific title of the Gods of Egypt, the Treader ofthe Path,in Buddhistic phraseology. Its numerical value is 71, the number ofthis book.
...Inthe whorlings of the face can clearly be seen a stylised ankh,theEgyptian symbol for Going; as a matter of interest, ankh canbest betransliterated into Hebrew as kaph nun aleph, 71. The maintheme of TheVoice of the Silence, clearly brought out by Crowley, is the needtoestablish contact with the Silent Self. This corresponds to theDwarfSelf, the phallic consciousness, Harpocrates, Hadit; and thetheme runsthrough much of Crowley's writing. It is noteworthy in this contextthat ALIL,'the image of Nothingness and Silence', enumerates as 71.
Crowleygave the drawing to Kenneth Grant in May 1945, following an astralworking inwhich they were both involved. Since then it has become apparent thatLam is infact a trans-mundane or extra-terrestrial entity, with whom severalgroups ofmagicians have established contact, most notably Michael Bertiaux inthe 1960'sand a group of O.T.O. initiates in the 1970's. Much remains unclear,however,hence the need for further investigation of this entity.